TESTING COMPLETE (APPLICATIONS CLOSED) OneTigris® Upgraded FIRE WATCHER Dog Harness

Leah Nosack AKC CGC Evaluator and Trainer

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My review of the OneTigris® Upgraded FIRE WATCHER Dog Harness!
:oops:so comparing the old version of the firewatcher harness, this kind of rolling up+hook n loop strap is more inconvenient?
The designer thought it could help collecting the extra strap.:unsure:
Its a nice idea and in the right place the right choice. I personally dont think its the best choice on something that is going to be flying through the air, brush, beach, dirt, my bags cover mine up most of the time so they are not there flapping around. After having the old Fire Watcher and the prototype of the upgrade, I prefer the former method.
 

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My review of the OneTigris® Upgraded FIRE WATCHER Dog Harness!


Its a nice idea and in the right place the right choice. I personally dont think its the best choice on something that is going to be flying through the air, brush, beach, dirt, my bags cover mine up most of the time so they are not there flapping around. After having the old Fire Watcher and the prototype of the upgrade, I prefer the former method.
I see. Had told our designer your message and she explained that from her observation many customers didn't know how to use the old version's strap lock to storage extra straps, therefore adding the velvro part in the end of the strap, hoping to solve this probelm for users.
 
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Hi Guys!! Omgoodness I've been so absent and I'm so sorry but I've been locked out of my account for over a month!
I have the two step verification in the sign in and it stopped working (when I got my new iphone) I did everything I could to remedy the situation but one of the helpful admins shut off my two step so I could finally log in!

All that aside I'm putting the finishing touches on my video but I will tell you this...
we prefer the original to the new.

See you soon!!!
 
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Hi Onetigris,

Just to clarify, I have not modified the vest, (but if I were to modify it ) I would, place ladder lock buckles behind the male buckle in order to secure the webbing in a flatter profile as opposed to sewing the velcro hook and loop to the ends, which is then rolled up to secure the excess web strapping.

I attach an example from a UK Air Support Bergen I modified, (the excess straps on the 6 external pouches are all secured this way). In my opinion it just looks neater low profile and less prone to snag. Velcro hook and loop might soon deteriorate on a working dogs harness.

I hope the attached photo explains my thought process better than my words,

Kind regards Joe Crowe
Oh boy I SO agree with this!
Although the velcro strip was a great idea it's bulk was unwanted and a little fumbly (made up word).
This solution would create a flat profile and less bulk.
Love it!
 
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Ok, So I finished the video just now and downloaded it to a drop box.
Please let me know if you have trouble viewing it.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6oqo2higozw0klh/AAAR7igHmAQQ4xOWOoHVTfwSa?dl=0

To summerise:
We liked the Original version the best because it fits Farley's deep chest better which makes the overall fit more snug and less likely to slip and twist.

Farley is not a Huge dog but he does have a huge chest.
I think the problem with this harness comes with deep barrel chested dogs like Dobermans and boxers and such.
They are otherwise slim dogs that don't weigh a ton and some have small necks but these dogs do not fit into the Medium sized harness because of the size of their chest.
This bumps them up into a size that's too big for the rest of them, like the neck area.

The new version had more give and take on the neck area, allowing us to be able to pull it in a little tighter but with the chest we had the leads let out as far as they went which was still a tad too tight, pulling that area creating a gap in the side area (you'll see on the video).
The overall fit was worse on the new version which not only gapped at the sides but also slid downward over his neck towards his head when he would put his nose to the ground (which dogs do 90% of the time.
So it was always ready to fall off (over his head).

We also agree with JoeCrowe about the velcro strips that hold the excess strap down.
In theory it's a great idea but it creates too much bulk.
A ladder lock buckle would be ideal.

I think my biggest gripe about this harness was not even in the fit but the fact that there was no front DLoop to attach the lead to on the front chest area, which is fantastic and super helpful when dealing with dogs that pull.
I think there should be two: one on the back and one on the chest for us to see which works better for our dogs.
And actually some people use a double lead and attach to both front and back gaining even more control of their dog AND this prevents the backing out of the harness, which is possible with the Firewatcher (another downfall).

And lastly I'd run the handle lengthwise down the back instead of across the neck area, all this does when grabbing at it (the way it is now) is lift the harness up, choking the dog.
This could be a brilliant feature but it does not work for us the way ours fits our Doberman (maybe it works with other breeds).

We would like to thank OneTigris very much for allowing us to participate in this test and hope that we have been a help.

Please reach out anytime!

Best to you all!

Jennifer and Farley
 

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Ok, So I finished the video just now and downloaded it to a drop box.
Please let me know if you have trouble viewing it.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6oqo2higozw0klh/AAAR7igHmAQQ4xOWOoHVTfwSa?dl=0

To summerise:
We liked the Original version the best because it fits Farley's deep chest better which makes the overall fit more snug and less likely to slip and twist.

Farley is not a Huge dog but he does have a huge chest.
I think the problem with this harness comes with deep barrel chested dogs like Dobermans and boxers and such.
They are otherwise slim dogs that don't weigh a ton and some have small necks but these dogs do not fit into the Medium sized harness because of the size of their chest.
This bumps them up into a size that's too big for the rest of them, like the neck area.

The new version had more give and take on the neck area, allowing us to be able to pull it in a little tighter but with the chest we had the leads let out as far as they went which was still a tad too tight, pulling that area creating a gap in the side area (you'll see on the video).
The overall fit was worse on the new version which not only gapped at the sides but also slid downward over his neck towards his head when he would put his nose to the ground (which dogs do 90% of the time.
So it was always ready to fall off (over his head).

We also agree with JoeCrowe about the velcro strips that hold the excess strap down.
In theory it's a great idea but it creates too much bulk.
A ladder lock buckle would be ideal.

I think my biggest gripe about this harness was not even in the fit but the fact that there was no front DLoop to attach the lead to on the front chest area, which is fantastic and super helpful when dealing with dogs that pull.
I think there should be two: one on the back and one on the chest for us to see which works better for our dogs.
And actually some people use a double lead and attach to both front and back gaining even more control of their dog AND this prevents the backing out of the harness, which is possible with the Firewatcher (another downfall).

And lastly I'd run the handle lengthwise down the back instead of across the neck area, all this does when grabbing at it (the way it is now) is lift the harness up, choking the dog.
This could be a brilliant feature but it does not work for us the way ours fits our Doberman (maybe it works with other breeds).

We would like to thank OneTigris very much for allowing us to participate in this test and hope that we have been a help.

Please reach out anytime!

Best to you all!

Jennifer and Farley
Hi Jennifer! This is such an impressive review! Thank you sooooo much!!!
 
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The new version had more give and take on the neck area, allowing us to be able to pull it in a little tighter but with the chest we had the leads let out as far as they went which was still a tad too tight, pulling that area creating a gap in the side area (you'll see on the video).
I grabbed one size L today and roughly measured it, the neck girth could be down to 18'', and the largest girth of the chest is 44''. I will DM you photos and let's see whether you have adjust the chest to its maximun~cuz theoratically the chest ranger of the new sample is larger than the original one.:unsure:
We also agree with JoeCrowe about the velcro strips that hold the excess strap down.
In theory it's a great idea but it creates too much bulk.
yup me personally would prefer a ladder lock too. I have forwarded this to our designer and he said considering many dog owners didnt know how to use the ladder lock we originally have and have had complaints on the flopping straps, so he will remain the velcro for the convenience of most of the common users.
I think my biggest gripe about this harness was not even in the fit but the fact that there was no front DLoop to attach the lead to on the front chest area, which is fantastic and super helpful when dealing with dogs that pull.
Haha! Thank you for the support of front D ring! We are going to make one with that after struggling with structure problems. We have launched a dog harness with simple structure with front D leash clip as a test of market. And proved that users have been awared of the function of the clip though some still not.
And lastly I'd run the handle lengthwise down the back instead of across the neck area, all this does when grabbing at it (the way it is now) is lift the harness up, choking the dog.
(y)Will forward to our designer too!
 
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Hi Jennifer! This is such an impressive review! Thank you sooooo much!!!
You're very welcome, we were honored to be able to test this great product for you.
I did notice after I downloaded that I didn't do the best quality.
If for any reason you would like me to download it in highest quality, I surely will.
 
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I grabbed one size L today and roughly measured it, the neck girth could be down to 18'', and the largest girth of the chest is 44''. I will DM you photos and let's see whether you have adjust the chest to its maximun~cuz theoratically the chest ranger of the new sample is larger than the original one.:unsure:

Me:
Ohhh my Goodness, so I'm a total idiot!
I swore I worked those darn buckles to the max for both small and large?!?!
I feel like a 4 year old given a math problem for a genius every time I deal with those buckles.
I would say "I wish they were easier" but I'm sure it's just me!
I will go back and try again and let you know!
This will make a difference!
I did notice that the entire vest didn't feel the same, it felt lesser made...
but I did read in the reviews that someone mentioned the same thing and it's still a prototype and not the finished product...so that's great!
 
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apparently I can not only NOT work the buckles but I also can't figure out how to reply correctly so ....sorry my format is a bit of a mess :)

thrujenseyes said:
We also agree with JoeCrowe about the velcro strips that hold the excess strap down.
In theory it's a great idea but it creates too much bulk.
yup me personally would prefer a ladder lock too.

RIN:
I have forwarded this to our designer and he said considering many dog owners didnt know how to use the ladder lock we originally have and have had complaints on the flopping straps, so he will remain the velcro for the convenience of most of the common users.

Me again:
Soooo...I can use a ladder lock but NOT a buckle (I wish you could see the face I'm making).
This wasn't a big gripe from me anyway.
I'd actually cut the excess since I always own Dobies and I always keep them in their ideal weight.
So all of my dogs will be the same size (or close to).


thrujenseyes said:
I think my biggest gripe about this harness was not even in the fit but the fact that there was no front DLoop to attach the lead to on the front chest area, which is fantastic and super helpful when dealing with dogs that pull.
Haha!

RIN:
Thank you for the support of front D ring! We are going to make one with that after struggling with structure problems. We have launched a dog harness with simple structure with front D leash clip as a test of market. And proved that users have been awared of the function of the clip though some still not.

Me again:
I would love to test that one out if possible!
We LOVE a front clip harness!
Every dobie I've ever owned (no matter how well trained) can pull a mac truck!
The front clip is always helpful!
Oh and one thing to note: A lot of harness makers do a lesser made clip in the front than on the back and I always found this ridiculous.
If you need the front clip it's because you have a puller, so this one should be Just as sturdy as the back clip!



thrujenseyes said:
And lastly I'd run the handle lengthwise down the back instead of across the neck area, all this does when grabbing at it (the way it is now) is lift the harness up, choking the dog.


RIN:
Will forward to our designer too!

Me again:
I'd love that, because like I mentioned, the way it is now is useless to me.
I never want to grab any area on the harness that will pull up or jossle around my dobies neck area (as it's a weak spot on many dobes) and the reason we wear a harness in the first place.
We don't use collars as to not put stress on the neck area.
A lengthwise sturdy handle down the back would be AWESOME!
 

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I would love to test that one out if possible!
We LOVE a front clip harness!
Every dobie I've ever owned (no matter how well trained) can pull a mac truck!
The front clip is always helpful!
Oh and one thing to note: A lot of harness makers do a lesser made clip in the front than on the back and I always found this ridiculous.
If you need the front clip it's because you have a puller, so this one should be Just as sturdy as the back clip!
:LOL:No problem, actually we are also improving the harness structure of those with D loop.
Will be awesome if your dobies could help us!
 
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:LOL:No problem, actually we are also improving the harness structure of those with D loop.
Will be awesome if your dobies could help us!
We would absolutely love that! I promise to learn the buckles first :rolleyes: before telling you they're too long or too short :sneaky:
But seriously, we'd love to test a front D loop because we've been waiting for a harness to have a good functioning front clip!
 

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We would absolutely love that! I promise to learn the buckles first :rolleyes: before telling you they're too long or too short :sneaky:
But seriously, we'd love to test a front D loop because we've been waiting for a harness to have a good functioning front clip!
Yas! I will DM you the link of this harness and confirm address with you!
 
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Just to keep the others following this thread informed:

My husband is working at the buckles right now on the new version of the firewatcher harness we tested ( I thought I had at the smallest on the neck and the widest on the chest).

He's gained about an inch on each side by the neck.
I watched him and he was as confused as I was but managed to figure it out when I couldn't.
I thought since I had the buckles touching that they couldn't get any tighter but I didn't realize we still had a little room behind the buckles towards the outside.

He was able to gain a whole bunch of inches on the chest.
Originally he thought the same as me...it's as far as it goes but he worked it until he saw what you showed in your pictures.

I will test this out on Farley as soon as I get a minute and let you know.

Sorry we are a bunch of idiots over here!!!
haha
 

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Whether or not they have been a part of the OneTigris Gear Testing Program before?
No, I haven't tested any gear
whether or not they have purchased our FIRE WATCHER Dog Harness?
No.
How will you test the product(s)?
I will take photos and do video reviews. I will show how it affects the dog if there is a problem. I will be 100% honest on the experience.
 
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Ok, so this is an update to my review after learning that although I thought I'd worked the buckles to the smallest and largest....I had not.

I will do another video but it's been hovering around 12 degrees and we are not going out for a walk in this! ha

I'll try to explain with the help of my old dobermans, Roman and Lexi and a little drawing where the vests would be.

As you can on Lexi when we had the original version it sat in the proper place on the dog although the neck was wide and gapped a little.

With the new one (as seen on Roman) when we pull the neck tighter making it fit better, the entire vest rides up too high and sits up on the shoulders and therefore the straps under the chest ride BEFORE the chest bump going into the armpits a bit too much.
It makes for a very awkward fit.

I think this just isn't quite the harness for a deep chested dog.
To me, I think they need a longer harness and one that possibly buckles not only at the neck and chest but also after the chest bump on the tummy area.
Or, a smaller harness like the beetle one maybe (which we'd love to test).

Thanks again!
This time, Jen and Farley and Roman & Lexi
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