OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED Slip on Molle sleeve for 2" duty belts and straps

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If you look at backpacks, duty belts and some plate carriers they use 2" straps with 2" buckles that are bare and nothing on them. So my idea is a molle panel that can be slipped onto these bare portions so that you can attach molle gear onto it. I figured to start the panel should be 3" x 6.5" and have 2 rows of molle with 4 columns. Be made of 1000 denier nylon with appropriate webbing for the molle. The back would have an elastic panel with both sides open to fit a belt thru. I don't know how stretchy elastic material is but a 2" buckle is 2.25" in width with a depth of .5" so figured either the elastic panel would be 2.5" or 2.25" depending on how elastic it is. Think 2.25 would work fine and should be enough give to get over buckles and would start at this measurement first for the elastic panel and if possible maybe even go down to the 2" and see if it has enough give to stretch over the buckle when placing it on. As mentioned unsure how stretchy of material you may have in the shop. The molle rows will be 1.5" x 1" standard with .25" on both sides/ends to sew a reinforcement line on both ends. When attaching the elastic panel orient to top portion. Logos would be sewn in at bottom section on seem.

Colour for prototype if done I would like in Olive Drab/Green or black.

I also see if these sold that they would be in sets of two.

Blueprint I drew up is below with all measurements for face and back of it. I am assuming whoever if designed would add for the extra material for folds / hems and what not and you guys would know those measurements better then me.
 

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Also was thinking that between the two layers for the main base some form of rigid material like plastic or such that is usually found in the straps to keep them rigid but still pliable. May not even need the 2nd layer of 1000d in my drawing and just have the first layer over lap the rigid panel and then have the elastic panel on back side. Reason for this support is so that the panel doesnt shift and roll around the 2" strap.
 

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Very very nice idea! Bear in mind that they must have the ability to attach molle vertically (shoulder strap) or horizontally (belt). Maybe make the front side of the sleeve with molle one way and the reverse side with molle the other way?
 

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I am only worried about Horizontally. If they want to make a separate vertical one then go nuts but usually strapping that is vertical has webbing, d-rings and elastic bands to run your gear on. Well at least all Backpacks and gear I have thus far does. Usually only things that are bare are the horizontal straps as shown in those pics. Also having one that has two sides with two options would bulk it up and thicken it up and I am into as light as weight as possible for my gear. Also most times vertical straps are not 2". Anyways trying to keep this as simplistic but useful as possible in which this idea already has multiple items it could be used on. Could also be made into different lengths.

1 column equals 1.5"
End equals .25" and two ends so x2

4 columns = 6.5" (1.5 x 4 + .25 x 2)
5 Columns = 8"
6 Columns = 9.5"

The lengths of pieces as they get larger can be used on less items. Why I started at the 4 column.
 
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I am only worried about Horizontally. If they want to make a separate vertical one then go nuts but usually strapping that is vertical has webbing, d-rings and elastic bands to run your gear on. Well at least all Backpacks and gear I have thus far does. Usually only things that are bare are the horizontal straps as shown in those pics. Also having one that has two sides with two options would bulk it up and thicken it up and I am into as light as weight as possible for my gear. Also most times vertical straps are not 2". Anyways trying to keep this as simplistic but useful as possible in which this idea already has multiple items it could be used on. Could also be made into different lengths.

1 column equals 1.5"
End equals .25" and two ends so x2

4 columns = 6.5" (1.5 x 4 + .25 x 2)
5 Columns = 8"
6 Columns = 9.5"

The lengths of pieces as they get larger can be used on less items. Why I started at the column.
Gotit. 👍🏻
 

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Here is what vertical would look like that I drew up for ya. You could flip it upside down if you wanted the molle to start at the top. Only issue is how to mount it. Issue with being most likely a backpack shoulder strap and those straps don't abide by any rules on thickness or design. They sometime have vertical webbing on them. Sometime vertical with d-rings and horizontal elastic straps. Sometimes no vertical webbing and have a couple horizontal webbing straps with the webbing internally for support. Sometimes they have it all. So why I steered away from that as well since just to much to deal with. A good portion however have 2" waist straps or straps that are horizontal that are bare and easy to work with. Anyways there is a blueprint for ya go nuts lol. This design is based off the measurements of the 4 column reversed. Also note the issue of slippage if it was sitting on a vertical strap and it would fall down and would need some form of attachment to keep it in place. An other reason why the horizontal one is just simplier.
 

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My backpacks have all rather wide and thick padded waist belts, but my work-harnass have both 2” shoulder straps and hip strap. It probably depends on what gear you use. This is why I tend to focus on products that have a wider multi purpose use and not too specific for one role - it is just easier seen from a marketing perspective.

As I said in my first post, you have a very good idea and I’m all for the design - I just added my 2 cents...
 

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My backpacks have all rather wide and thick padded waist belts, but my work-harnass have both 2” shoulder straps and hip strap. It probably depends on what gear you use. This is why I tend to focus on products that have a wider multi purpose use and not too specific for one role - it is just easier seen from a marketing perspective.

As I said in my first post, you have a very good idea and I’m all for the design - I just added my 2 cents...
You are welcome to your 2 cents.

I just don't want it double sided due to weight concerns and applying it to the belt were I may need to shimmy or whatever over a buckle and the elastic panel would be in the middle of two 1000d panels plus a rigid panel. Not easily gotten too. This is why I rather see it as two products. I know the harness you are talking about for painters on buildings, window washers and for safety at heights on whatever machinery. So yeah you could do a vertical for that and have it sit above the sternum strap or the lower end to the waist strap and have it sit there and not worry about it slipping where ever. If you want it positioned in a certain spot how ever you have to redesign the mounting method.
 

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...you could always make it so it folds over the strap and close with velcro so you could position it over loops or other straps without that dreaded “shimmying”.
But again that is my way of thinking - same as I’m not very concerned about an extra 100 grams of Cordura.
 

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...you could always make it so it folds over the strap and close with velcro so you could position it over loops or other straps without that dreaded “shimmying”.
But again that is my way of thinking - same as I’m not very concerned about an extra 100 grams of Cordura.
My initial design was like a battle belt and fold over and such. On my way to work so scan it in later. However now adding velcro and more stiching and adding more weight. Grams add up which turn into ounces to pounds and what I am steering away from. Trying to keep this panel as light as possible. As you can tell pretty set on how it would be designed and put multiple days of thought into it and has changed a couple times since my original drawing.
 

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So it is a molle sleeve that can be slip onto a belt or backpack shoulder strap? But the width of belts and shoulder strap differs from one to another, which can be a problem to cover. Any further detailed idea? @WhispTech
 

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So it is a molle sleeve that can be slip onto a belt or backpack shoulder strap? But the width of belts and shoulder strap differs from one to another, which can be a problem to cover. Any further detailed idea? @WhispTech
No, it got side tracked in the conversation there and is meant for waist straps. Shown in the first post I circled and pointed to the waist strap to backpack, plate carrier and 2" duty belts that all have 2 " waits straps with buckles. This sleeve is meant for those items that usually have a 2" belt or strap that is horizontal. Majority of large backpacks have 2" strapping for waist. Also cross draw vests have 2" duty belts and some light plate carriers. Then 2" duty belts. This idea came up in two parts. 1. when it came mounting items the plate carrier and 2. being at work as a security guard we can wear a duty belt but we can not wear a full blown battle belt. However we sometimes have item we use that use molle straps. IE: small first aid pouch, medical glove pouch and other smaller items.

Small backpacks usually use 1.75" or 1.5" but as soon as you get into medium and large backpacks they use 2" straps for the waist.

I could also see it being use on smaller belts and is why I suggested to have the support stiff panel in it. I went with this size of 6.5" because that would support medium and large individual waist sizes and that would allow this panel to fit between majority of duty pant belt loops and between the support straps on some cross draw vests.. It also would work with both sides of a backpack and light plate carrier.

If it was made in black that would be fine as well since duty colours are usually black for security and police gear.

The only dimension that needs to be played with is that back stretchy panel be it 2" that has enough stretch to fit over a 2" buckle due to some are not removable or if it would be a bit larger. 2" to start for best fit over 2" belt itself but again depends on the stretch of the material and if it will fit over the buckle..
 
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For people that are small waist size there panels would have to be smaller and only be 3 columns molle.

3 columns = 5" (1.5x3 + .25x2) for the two sides)

The 6.5 4 column is for medium to large.

Also it should come in a two pack due to being support both sides of these items.
 
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For people that are small waist size there panels would have to be smaller and only be 3 columns molle.

3 columns = 5" (1.5x3 + .25x2) for the two sides)

The 6.5 4 column is for medium to large.

Also it should come in a two pack due to being support both sides of these items.
I am still confused about the way you attach this panel? how could it be set up on the waist straps of backpack or plate carrier?
Does the pic below show it correctly? the strap go through the elastic panel?
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If so, here has a problem: it will slide to right or left if we attach it in this way. what do you think about it?
 
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I am still confused about the way you attach this panel? how could it be set up on the waist straps of backpack or plate carrier?
Does the pic below show it correctly? the strap go through the elastic panel?
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If so, here has a problem: it will slide to right or left if we attach it in this way. what do you think about it?
Yes it slides thru the elastic panel as shown in your pics. Yes there would be some movement in some cases. Is there not elastic stretchy material that has some form of neoprene rubberized side that is stretchy as well? Also as mentioned this is why the elastic back panel would be needed to be tested to see what size it would be be it 2" , 2.25" and such to make sure it fit over the buckle but also maintain some tightness on the belt itself. That would help with it. But in some cases and the fact those will be tight to your body they shouldn't shift that bad. On the job I have gloves, flashlight and phone just with loose loops on a 1.75" belt and hardly any shifting. I run them agaisnt the belt loops. This item on regular belt and pants would do same.

Also want to point out that in your pic on the bottom make sure that it does not have that upper and lower lip. This panel should have a height of exactly 3". That is exact space for 2 rows of molle at 1" each plus the inner row at 1" on the front side. Also just 4 columns of molle at 6.5" at most in width as shown in my first drawing/blueprint.

Great sketch though of the idea. :)
 
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Everyone is so focused on it moving and shifting and thinking that is a problem instead of what it could accomplish. You look at anything and even items that 1tg make themselves that they claim will go on a belt will shift. Majority of security/police gear are just loops on belt.

If you really want I could list tons of items that use loops. We have been using loops on gear for centuries.

My idea is very simplistic, should be kept simplistic and stop being over thought.
 
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