NEW IDEA Pistol mag / Handcuffs combo pouch. Asp baton pouch. X26 Taser pouch.disposable nitrile gloves pouch.

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so Earlier Whisptech mentioned doing a duty belt for security so it got me thinking about an entire line for a security duty belt set up.
I would be careful with combining pouches. Different countries and security firms allow only certain equipment. It would limit your clientele.

Also even same guards/police from same group and such will configure their gear differently and place items where they feel more comfortable in positioning and configuration.

Different guards will have different certifications as well.

In my city alone their is only one group that carry pistols and only because they do armoured trucks but yet multiple companies will have individuals certified in handcuffing.

I think its best to keep things separated.
 
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a handcuff/mag pouch could also be used as a handcuff/tool pouch. I generally dislike double mag pouches especially Kydex so i agree that on certain things you should just do an individual pouch. sometimes i have to work casino security and i prefer a handcuff/mag pouch because i have to wear a suit and they are comfortable.. however companies like HSGI want 50 dollars for this product...
 
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a handcuff/mag pouch could also be used as a handcuff/tool pouch. I generally dislike double mag pouches especially Kydex so i agree that on certain things you should just do an individual pouch. sometimes i have to work casino security and i prefer a handcuff/mag pouch because i have to wear a suit and they are comfortable.. however companies like HSGI want 50 dollars for this product...
HSGI is very expensive when it come to their proprietary items. That is again why I designed those molle panels for individuals that are budget minded. We havn't gotten to the point of sale but I would imagine the panel is going to be under or close to $20. Still waiting on that info. But then think that you buy generic pouches that do the job fine and don't need to be all fancy and the reduction in costs and some extra options over getting a kit which can only be setup one way. While I like HSGI gear not all of it needs to be the way they do it and really only specific items I focus on from them primarily their belt systems. Their handcuff pouch which is $70cdn vs a $16cdn condor pouch in which regardless of which one used and I have seen this tested the speed and ability to get them out is the same (actually saw the handcuffs get caught on the bungee once of the HSGI). There is only specific items that really benefit from their proprietary design but they seem to make every single item use it if they can which is unnecessary and an unnecessary cost and really focuses on people that worry about cool factor instead of realistic use.

In anything I look for or design I want multiple uses along with diversity of placement.

That is why in the end I look to 1TG to design some of the common items as I mentioned in my original thread about what I would like to see in the line up since I know 1TG could make it so that it is a fully functional item and reduce the costs with good quality. In fact I am actually very impressed with their flashlight holder and one of my favourite items I have added to my gear as of late. Now in that video about it I mentioned I lost a flashlight in which it was a taco pistol pouch. That single mag pouch I bought was a HSGI pistol mag pouch that I paid $38cdn/28usd roughly and I lost a flashlight. I also had issues with it loosing pistol mags when high activity and running. They even show on their website that it is suppose to do flashlights. Now that new 1TG flashlight holder was $12.99usd which is less than half the cost and it works better. When I look at HSGI and some of their products what really comes to mind it more for like competitive shooters and such. I know military and police individuals that wont use it unless its closed top or some form of retention strap but stay clear of the totally open tops. I posted about that before with the comments you made about 1TG pistol mag pouch.

Now its just a matter of what is realistic for 1TG to make since they factor in competitiveness of market, is it new enough to intrigue individuals, costs and such. I think this is why they didn't do that belt system the other person on the site mentioned because the market is saturated with it and really what else new can be done that hasn't already. 1TG when it comes to codesign really focuses on new ideas that havn't really been brought to the market and look for creativity.

There lies the issue with the security line and why I didn't put it on codesign but just really as a wishful thinking due to majority of the items we use are already out there.
 
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definitely a saturated market but still if you are going to buy pouches you generally want them from the same company so they all match i wasn't sure how fantastic an idea this would be for 1tg but i don't know what kind of markets they want to expand into. Companies like condor and 5.11 have made their name by being the "K mart" of the tactical world. I wouldn't suggest buying one of the plate carriers from 5.11 but the mag pouches or bags are fine so you never know...
 

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definitely a saturated market but still if you are going to buy pouches you generally want them from the same company so they all match i wasn't sure how fantastic an idea this would be for 1tg but i don't know what kind of markets they want to expand into. Companies like condor and 5.11 have made their name by being the "K mart" of the tactical world. I wouldn't suggest buying one of the plate carriers from 5.11 but the mag pouches or bags are fine so you never know...
I have lots of Condor gear. Never had an issue for the most part and budget friendly. Was very happy with their slim battle belt. In that order of belts I bought a pair of Condor operator tactical pants and knee pad inserts which I will be testing. I have three of their sentinel pants which I love the layout of pockets but the crotch area on the ones I wore all split and I had to re sew. The new style I got have the gusseted crotch.

I have looked at 5.11 pants but people had exact same issues with splitting and primarily think it was the material used and wanted to try a pair but they are double the cost of Condor. I would say though 5.11 is more pricier. I have a pair of 5.11 evos that are the best boots I have ever had for comfort and fit and they have held up great.

Every company has their hit and misses. Why I never focus on just one company for my gear.
 
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There’s a 511 store out here so I have tons of shoes socks pants shirts gear etc (25percent off sidewalk sales) I also have condor sentinels and I would say 511 apex or ridge line pants are definitely better but they are about 20 dollars too expensive on all the pants however I love the stryke pants and wouldn’t choose anything else and I’ve tried it all.. I also like Vertx for pants and bags but condor for the price you can find some gems they make literally everything
 
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I really like the 511 rangers for every day and I grabbed the ATAC boots for about 60 bucks on sale I originally was a Solomon or Danners guy but my wife had bought some like a year earlier and swore by them so I copped a pair and they’ve been great
 

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correction I have the condor EDC pants I’m not sure what they are called I have no experience with condor sentinel pants I ment to compare the lighter 511 pants with condors lightweight pants
Well they have Cipher, stealth and odyssey which are light weight. Sentinels are a lightweight pant as well. Reason I liked sentinels was they have like 20 pockets lol.
 

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I really like the 511 rangers for every day and I grabbed the ATAC boots for about 60 bucks on sale I originally was a Solomon or Danners guy but my wife had bought some like a year earlier and swore by them so I copped a pair and they’ve been great
Danners are a good boot but very expensive. I had a pair once and where nice but I could not justifty the price to buy them again.
 

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There’s a 511 store out here so I have tons of shoes socks pants shirts gear etc (25percent off sidewalk sales) I also have condor sentinels and I would say 511 apex or ridge line pants are definitely better but they are about 20 dollars too expensive on all the pants however I love the stryke pants and wouldn’t choose anything else and I’ve tried it all.. I also like Vertx for pants and bags but condor for the price you can find some gems they make literally everything

5.11 Stryke where the ones I was looking at since they had a gusseted crotch. But many people said that they got holes where the gusset was. Sentinels are made of a similar material and think that its an issue of the material personally. If they took the sentinels and gave them a gusseted crotch I would be very very happy. But they didn't make a version 2 so why I am trying the operator tactical version and see how they work out.

The Condor Maxfort shirts for wearing under duty shirts have been great and they are cheap. Go to the mall and getting like a name brand version like Nike and you pay double and sometimes even 3 times for the same style.

Condor does make everything and think they get a bad rep from the community. I have many great products from them.

Condor also isn't all made in China. Anything in their sku number that has US in it is American made which many people don't know.
 

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Just a note but these Condor Operator pants fit perfectly, don't have over bulky legs, due to the gusseted crotch easier to move around in. Very happy with them.

Also got the kneepad inserts for them and this is the first pair of pants that I have bought to my size that the kneepads actually line up. Friggin amazing lol.
 
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Knee pads are serious business lol most of the time guys end up wearing them around their ankle lol it’s why I ended up forking 300 bucks to Crye. Kneeling in hot brass without kneepads all day sucks!! Inserts are a good alternative but end up beating the pants up in training so I ended up switching but for duty use working security or LE they will save your knees and are amazing
 

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Knee pads are serious business lol most of the time guys end up wearing them around their ankle lol it’s why I ended up forking 300 bucks to Crye. Kneeling in hot brass without kneepads all day sucks!! Inserts are a good alternative but end up beating the pants up in training so I ended up switching but for duty use working security or LE they will save your knees and are amazing

I have only gone to the ground 3 times in 6 years ( I use my words) so inserts for what I do is fine and they are discreet which I can't be on the job site wearing Crye/similar or I would lol since we have a dress code. When I have the velcro straps in default setting can't even tell they are in there. So when I am just doing gates or whatever have them loose but when roaming and doing ejections I will strap them up. Half the time probably won't even have the inserts in since I will only be using it for the serious events where I know people will fight (heavy metal/rap).

If I was doing training or airsoft I use the regular ones which is on the outer of the pants and what I use now since multiple pants tested and the knees never line up on the outer insert style pants since as you mentioned then you are not getting holes in the knee of the pants and ripping them up.

Time and place for each style.