PROTOTYPING Omnivore Multipurpouse Modular Pouch

TheMedic08

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-WHAT: Highlights & functions
This is a fully (and I mean fully) modular pouch for carrying virtually any more or less flat piece of equipment that will fit the dimensions of the pouch, regardless of its shape.

-WHY: Specific use & purposes (important)
The Pouch is originally designed to carry advanced medical supplies for medical professionals such as surgical tools, medication vials and administration tools. Because of its modular nature however this design can be easily used for virtually any purpose, from a medical pouch, an IFAK pouch, an EDC pouch or travel organizer to a survival kit pouch, a pencil case, a map case, a phone case and much more.

-HOW: How you were inspired (important)
During my time in Emergency Medical Services I have noticed, that putting medication vials into packs always requires large hardcase containers or oversized padded carrying pouches. For a mobile unit however, this large packing space is usually not available. In tactical medical packs as well as mountaineering packs the modular design using bungee cord for gear retention is already extensively employed. Combining these characteristics into a compact pouch gives a high-modularity pouch with extensive reconfiguration ability and seemingly endless end user setup variations.

-WHAT: Brief outline/description of appearance
A flat, rectangular pouch with rounded corners, sized about 11 cm x 19 cm, with a clam shell bi-directional zippers that enables the pouch to lay completely flat on a surface. The width of the pouch should be only the width of its zipper to minimize bulk. (Something similar to this: )

On the inside it would have two panels on its “inner walls”, one with a modular panel made out of a somewhat stiff material (1000D Cordura or maybe even Hypalon) that would have a grid of holes in it (diameter of about 4 mm so you can easily pull a piece of bungee cord through), spaced about 1 cm apart from each other. The items would be attached by bungee cord with cord locks. A similar idea has been implemented by Tasmanian Tiger, however with bulky sewn-on loops and with way to large spacing for placing vials and other small gear.
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(Tasmanian Tiger Medic Assault Pack S MK2)
On the other side it would have one full size Loop Velcro field for placing administrative inserts such as Velcro-in pen holders or flat admin inserts, similar to the Velcro based insert system widely used in the tactical sector by other companies such as Spiritus Systems or 5.11 Tactical.
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(Helikon Tex insert)
The Pouch should have at least one column of PALS Slots cut into its back at each end of the pouch, as well as 1,75” (45mm) belt loops on its higher 1/3rd axis for converting the pouch into a slim fanny pack by adding a 25 mm strap with a fastex buckle if necessary. In this manner the medic could work out of his fanny pouch without the need to take his medical pack off for treatment.
(NOTE: If cutting slots into the material is not an option, it would be better to put no sewn-on PALS on the back at all, to minimize snag and keep a slim profile.)
The Front should have a discrete field of loop Velcro with slightly rounded edges to facilitate the attaching of name tapes and kit designators for easy ID under stress.

-WHAT: Proposed product name (important)
Since this pouch has the capability to carry almost any small equipment in an organized fashion, I think the name “Omnivore” suits this design well.

-WHAT: Color options
Since this would be a product for a very broad target audience including military personnel, the color scheme should include Coyote, Ranger Green and MultiCam. For civilians and law enforcement the colors black and Wolf Grey or a similar shade of grey might be appealing.
The Prototype could be made in tan or coyote for covering the widest intended uses.
Because this pouch is to be used in high-stress environments, a high-viz interior option such as light grey or signal orange for increasing contrast might be worth a thought down the road.

-WHAT: Material
The Outer layers of the pouch should be made from at 500D Cordura Nylon or similar material.
The internal modular panel with the holes should be made from a more rigid and “tough” material such as 1000 D Cordura nylon or Hypalon. The preferred option here would be Hypalon as it is rubberized and would not slip when wet or bloody, preventing the loss of contents.
The smooth inverted YKK Zippers with cordage pulls used in the 1TG Paper-Thin EDC Pouch should match this design very well.

-Design draft:

Not to scale.
Please pardon my poor drawing skills...
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(That zig-zag line on the inside view drawing is supposed to represent the zipper.)

-Similar product(s) (optional)
After some research I found the CRO Medical Medic Case Pouch. (Link: https://www.cromedicalgear.com/products/cro-direct-action-medic-case ) This pouch has some common design features, however it has slots on the inside instead of holes, promoting only linear lashing of bungee cord, whereas my proposed hole grid facilitates multidirectional lashing and even enables turns mid-lashing.
Also, the sewn in pouches limit the modularity and adaptability. The proposed Velcro insert system is far more adaptable and therefore offers more capability for a wider range of end users outside of emergency medicine.
Further, the astronomical price is way overboard for a pouch of this size, especially for anyone that has to procure their gear on their own.

This is my first post on this board so please pardon any mistakes.
Of course feedback is greatly appreciated.
 
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Andy Z.

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On the inside it would have two panels on its “inner walls”, one with a modular panel made out of a somewhat stiff material (1000D Cordura or maybe even Hypalon) that would have a grid of holes in it (diameter of about 4 mm so you can easily pull a piece of bungee cord through), spaced about 1 cm apart from each other. The items would be attached by bungee cord with cord locks. A similar idea has been implemented by Tasmanian Tiger, however with bulky sewn-on loops and with way to large spacing for placing vials and other small gear.
(Tasmanian Tiger Medic Assault Pack S MK2)
On the other side it would have one full size Loop Velcro field for placing administrative inserts such as Velcro-in pen holders or flat admin inserts, similar to the Velcro based insert system widely used in the tactical sector by other companies such as Spiritus Systems or 5.11 Tactical.
(Helikon Tex insert)
The Pouch should have at least one column of PALS Slots cut into its back at each end of the pouch, as well as 1,75” (45mm) belt loops on its higher 1/3rd axis for converting the pouch into a slim fanny pack by adding a 25 mm strap with a fastex buckle if necessary. In this manner the medic could work out of his fanny pouch without the need to take his medical pack off for treatment.
(NOTE: If cutting slots into the material is not an option, it would be better to put no sewn-on PALS on the back at all, to minimize snag and keep a slim profile.)
The Front should have a discrete field of loop Velcro with slightly rounded edges to facilitate the attaching of name tapes and kit designators for easy ID under stress.
If possible, please could you make a simple sketch so we can know how it works more clearly.
 

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On the inside it would have two panels on its “inner walls”, one with a modular panel made out of a somewhat stiff material (1000D Cordura or maybe even Hypalon) that would have a grid of holes in it (diameter of about 4 mm so you can easily pull a piece of bungee cord through), spaced about 1 cm apart from each other. The items would be attached by bungee cord with cord locks. A similar idea has been implemented by Tasmanian Tiger, however with bulky sewn-on loops and with way to large spacing for placing vials and other small gear.
We don't have the material for bungee cord to go through as you mentioned above. How about doing it in these way?
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TheMedic08

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@Andy Z. of course. here is the little sketch I made:

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The left picture represents the inside of the pouch. The dotted side is the grid of holes to run the bungee through, the other is a full field of velcro. The right top is the back with the cut-out PALS slots and belt loop slots, the right bottom is the front view with a loop velcro field for ID patches.
 
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TheMedic08

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We don't have the material for bungee cord to go through as you mentioned above. How about doing it in these way?
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The Idea was to have a bunch of holes tightly enough together so you could replace the shock cord yourself to adjust the sizing and orientation of the loops, even at an odd angle to accomodate for weird-shaped objects such as Laryngoscope blades or vials. Maybe if the sewn on loops are tightly enough together it might work. I´ll prepare a quick sketch of what I have in mind
 

TheMedic08

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We don't have the material for bungee cord to go through as you mentioned above. How about doing it in these way?
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If the material itself is the problem, I´d say the best way would be to go with simple 500D Cordura. Lasercutting it would be the best option I suppose. If the process of making the holes would be the problem then maybe putting on the loops would be an alternative, however the hole grid would be cleaner in appearance and give more modularity. Here´s a drawing of how the loops could work:
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TheMedic08

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Do you think of holes in fabric and then hollow rivets like the ones used for kydex and shoelaces and so on? Sounds good but it probably takes too much time to make, stitching is simpler and faster. What if the sewn grid (like the one above) was made like this?
Originally i was thinking of just lasercutting holes into the fabric without any rivets or extras. Something similar to what Snake Eater Tactical does on their Plate Carriers to attach Pouches:
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I still think this would be the best option since it is very clean and can be easily configured.

If this is impossible then your thought with the closed spacing inbetween the sewn on webbing seems like the "next best thing"(y)
 
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Andy Z.

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@Andy Z. of course. here is the little sketch I made:

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The left picture represents the inside of the pouch. The dotted side is the grid of holes to run the bungee through, the other is a full field of velcro. The right top is the back with the cut-out PALS slots and belt loop slots, the right bottom is the front view with a loop velcro field for ID patches.
Sorry for the bad network. I should have seen it on the original post. I like this desgin of the grid of holes inside cause it can customize the set up based on personal needs. However, It's unavailable for us to do the laser cut. Is it possible to change it into a more traditional design?
 

TheMedic08

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Sorry for the bad network. I should have seen it on the original post. I like this desgin of the grid of holes inside cause it can customize the set up based on personal needs. However, It's unavailable for us to do the laser cut. Is it possible to change it into a more traditional design?
No worries. As for the grid I know that some sewing machines offer the possibility to do a kind of stitching around a hole. That might be a good way to get around lasercutting.
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Small hollow metal rivets are another option. But they might be a bit bulky. Then maybe sewn on webbing placed next to each other might work well too. A sketch from @Mraz :
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TheMedic08

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Sorry for late reply. Yes I confirmed and we need to go with the option of the sewn-on webbing.
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I changed it based on your sketch. How about this?
No worries! The design and outside dimensions look really good to me. As for the sewn-on-webbing maybe there is some narrower webbing than could be used. It would offer slightly more modularity. I´m thinking of half-inch webbing or similar. If that is not available then the 1" webbing should do the trick as well.
 

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