GEARTESTING [DOG GEAR] Service Dog Mobility Assistance Harness

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  • What- Service Dog Mobility Assistance Harness
  • Color options- Ranger Green, Black, Grey, Coyote Brown
  • Sizes- Extra Large & Large
  • Highlights and functions- Start with OneTigris Tactical Molle Harness for Service Dogs & Trainings (SKU: TG-GBX03). Durable Material & Soft Padded: Made with our high quality 1000D nylon and well padded in all pressure areas for a comfortable fit. Easy Adjustable Dog Harness: 4 quick release buckles for easy put on and off while providing extra security; With one top handle for your dog’s lead & control and one V-ring on the front for dog leash attachment. MOLLE System: Each side features two MOLLE straps as well as hoop & loop strips panel to easily attach molle pouches or ID panels. Hook & Loop Panels for Attach Morale Patch: One full length strip of 9"long 2" wide heavy duty loop panel on the top for ID badges; One 3.5"long 2" wide loop panel on the neck strap. Proposed Changes: Add another handle exactly the same as the one by the dog's head to the back of the vest by the dog's tail. Add another V-ring on the rear again exactly like the front for dog leash &/or wheelchair lead attachment. Add stiff back plate for added stability when using formed handle. Ensure dog has enough padding on chest and back. The Key Addition: Formed, stand-up, stiff, grip handle. Handle positioned so easy to grab onto dog for balance when standing/walking &/or propulsion when in wheelchair. This handle needs to be positioned just about center of vest footprint or just behind dog's front legs/shoulders. Samples: I'd like to have one sample made with the "Stand-up" handle running head to tail and one same with the "Stand-up" handle running side to side to determine which works best.
  • Specific use & purpose- The addition of the standard handles gives grabbing points which a disabled person can use to have their Service Dog help them up from a sitting position and also from the ground if they were to fall. They also give additional hold points to be able to grab your dog safely in the event of an emergency like needing to get them out of the water quickly. The addition of the the V-ring allows a disabled person the flexibility to attach a lead and leash while walking and in wheelchair. The primary use of this harness will be as a tool for your service dog to further be able to help you with mobility assistance when standing, walking and/or to provide propulsion when in a wheelchair.
  • How were you inspired-
    1. I started to get this inspiration as I went through team training to get my Service Dog, Lennon. You are exposed to a lot of different tools and pieces of equipment that can help to make your life easier and give you more independence. The mobility assistance harnesses basically fall into two categories cheap and outrageously expensive. And neither of these categories provides a quality solution to be used by most individuals needing mobility assistance. The high end are leather and metal, made to fit, so if you are shorter than me it would not work or if your lead is on the other hand it would not necessarily work. The cheap ones are just ripping disabled people off. There is no reason it needs to be this difficult. There is a very large market of disabled individuals and a large majority need some form of mobility assistance whether they suffer from any other disabilities or not. My vision does not have you standing out like a sore thumb when you enter a room because you have this large contraption strapped to your dog like a saddle that sticks straight up in the air. The goal is to be more normal, to be treated more normal, to be seen more normal.
    2. I've been looking for a mobility assistance vest/harness for some time. The one that I had kind of settled on was not being made anymore. As I was looking I came across the OneTigris Tac Molle Harness and I saw the perfect base or beginning. I'm hoping this is something 1TG is interested in as I do not see it being a super difficult project as we are not designing from scratch. If this works and the Ranger Green is close enough to my organizations green vest I can already tell you there would be a lot of interested individuals especially if the price point was reasonable. Lennon is trained to assist me with my mobility, but it would be very nice to have his skills along with something to grab onto when needed. And trust me, its needed and not just after a night out with Sandspoor!
  • Attached Pictures- There are tons of examples out there of mobility assistance dog harnesses, so I just picked some with different stand-up handle positioning and different handle materials. I really feel like the hard part has already been worked out with your 1TG Tac Molle Harness.
If 1TG were to move forward I'd like the 2 designs made up with the "Stand-up" handle in different positions. I'd test walking and in wheelchair both versions and give my feedback. I'd also like at least 1 if not 2 other disabled individuals with mobility issues and service dogs from a service dog organization. I'm not going to get into the politics or my beliefs of fake service dogs and such but I'd like the testing to be legit for disabled people's and for 1TG's long-term interests. Just my thoughts as always.

I'm really passionate about this and would be willing to do just about anything you (1TG) want to move forward on this! Please let me know if there is anything else I can do, any questions I can help to answer, and/or any additional information I can provide. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. BigT & Lennon
I really like this Idea, I have a mobility sd and this would be very useful. I would like to add this though, maybe add 2 d rings for a counterbalance handle or a pull strap
 
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I really like this Idea, I have a mobility sd and this would be very useful. I would like to add this though, maybe add 2 d rings for a counterbalance handle or a pull strap
Glad to have you interested in the project. The V-Ring is OneTigris version of a D-Ring and the model as it stands now has a 2 V-rings with your example in mind. Please stay tuned and submit your comments, ideas, likes, dislikes, etc. This has already been a long process and we've tried to work through many of the issues, but more eyes never hurts. And that being said so much time having been put in we'd like to get it "right" when it is released so people like you and me are super stoked when we get ours and are cruising around with our service dogs in them!!! Thank you for dropping in, BigT & BigLenny
 

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If there is no problem, then I will do one as we talked before. See below

What we need to change for the current harness
1. Padding both harness and straps;
2. Change the direction from vertical to horizontal;
3. Measurements
Neck Girth: 27 - 28"
Chest Girth: 39 - 40"
Back Length: 29 - 30"

NEXT
1. Please confirm all the points above;
2. Please take a photo from the side view of Lennon. I want to see how the changed harness works.
3. Then we can start to make it.
 
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If there is no problem, then I will do one as we talked before. See below @Andy Z. You're Alive!!! I was starting to wonder. Haha! You know I'm just kidding. That is the longest sit down I've ever had man. Glad to be back at it again! As always if you do not understand anything below just let me know. In hopes of avoiding confusion I'm going to break up my posts. We were shut down as I was set to send you an update. I'm going to send that next with new pictures. Those pics include the side shot

What we need to change for the current harness
1. Padding both harness and straps; STIFFER PADDING NOT NECESSARILY MORE PADDING
2. Change the direction from vertical to horizontal; CHANGE FRONT NECK STRAP TO HORIZONTAL, CLOSE TO PARALLEL TO GROUND
3. Measurements (MAIN DIFFERENCES IN SIZE FLUCTUATIONS ARE BECAUSE OF HAIR & WEIGHT GAIN/LOSS)
Neck Girth: 27 - 28" / 23" - 25"
Chest Girth: 39 - 40" / 38" - 40"
Back Length: 29 - 30" / 30"

NEXT
1. Please confirm all the points above;
2. Please take a photo from the side view of Lennon. I want to see how the changed harness works. THE CHANGE WAS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS IT COULD BE BECAUSE I COULD NOT ALTER THE SIZE OF THE BOTTOM HARNESS. GIVEN THIS THE BOTTOM HARNESS ACTUALLY PULLED THE TOP HARNESS WHEN FULLY CONNECTED TO CREATE A BOW. WHILE THE EFFECT WAS LESS THAN HAD BEEN IT WAS STILL THERE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A FULL SCALE MANUFACTURING ABILITY AT HOME. I'LL EXPLAIN MORE IN NEXT POSTS.
3. Then we can start to make it.
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@Andy Z. It's been a while so let's review strap placement.

These first two pictures show the front straps moved and sewn to new location in an effort to make them more parallel to the ground for testing purposes. The white masking tape shows the location and placement of the original stock buckles.
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Now as I described earlier there was still a minor bowing issue even with the change of buckle location. The bottom harness is responsible for the majority of this issue or the fact that I did not have a proper size bottom harness to test with. The other issue is the shape of the top harness. Because the front of the top harness has what I'm going to refer to as butterfly wings on each front corner these aid in the box effect, aid in making the bow effect easier. To combat this I still believe we need a front strap close to parallel to the ground, but I also think we need to position the straps lower on the harness so we can use the bottom harness pulling against the bow effect. Basically instead of bow it should pull the wings tight or closer to the dog's body. In the two pictures below again you will see the buckles as I moved them and in this case the white masking tape identifies where I believe the buckles on the new harnesses need to anchor on the front of the new models.
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In these next pics I just wanted to show how little is needed when elements are done correctly. I have a mobility service dog harness suited for wheelchair users but could also be used by ambulatory users as well. I've placed it on top of the harness just as a point of reference. This mobility harness is one horizontal strap that is parallel to the ground which goes around the dog's neck and one vertical strap which goes under and around the dog's chest. That is it. And it is an excellent harness for those that need their dog to propel their wheelchair for them. Meaning comfortable for the dog and the user.
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Here are the pics from my last testing with Len in harness. This is right after Len had a haircut. I figured it would be easier to see everything. There are going to be several posts of pics.

The conclusion I reached after this day of testing was that fitting issues could be attributed to several things. This harness to me was designed for a long neck, slender dog like a doberman. Not for full size, especially American dogs. Service Dogs are typically right at optimal weight or below, but American dogs on average are like most Americans, overweight. And this harness on Len reminded me of a movie "Tommy Boy" with Chris Farley where he does the "Fat man in a little coat" skit from SNL. You will see in later pics, but the back strap on this harness is basically right behind BigLenny's front legs around his chest. It's not where it shows it being in all of the photos of this harness on the dogs on the 1TG website. So I am wondering if another strap is not needed especially for a sturdy platform. I want the harness footprint, meaning material to be small, but when you look this harness barely covers Len's back. I mean I'm not sure it starts going over the side or not. Haha!!!

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Last one I swear! Okay so here is where you can kind of see. I was trying to take a pic while I had BigLenny on his back so you could see where the back strap was hitting which is right behind his front arms. So basically this harness is from BigLenny's neck to just behind his front legs. Like I said don't get me wrong I still want it small because my whole goal is an everyday harness. I'm only pointing it out again so maybe you professionals & creative thinkers can ponder on it. Haha!!! @Andy Z. Let me know if you need anything. Thanks, Big T

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BigLenny, BigBear & BigMiller were so EXCITED that @Andy Z. was back in touch that they wanted to send you a special greeting!!! I guess they got tired of waiting...
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Andy Z.

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So let's make a conclusion for the changes you put forward.
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1. extend the front area of top harness. more like a "Butterfly" design;
2. move the front straps (yellow color marking) down;
3. change the front hanlde with the design of another mobility dog harness you showed above;
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The first two points is to sovle the bowing problem. On my opinion, according to the photos you provided, this problem is mainly caused by the parallel direction of the front straps. I think change the direction a little bit will solve this problem.

The thrid point I think is a good element to add on it to improve its mobility
 
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So let's make a conclusion for the changes you put forward.
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1. extend the front area of top harness. more like a "Butterfly" design;
2. move the front straps (yellow color marking) down;
3. change the front hanlde with the design of another mobility dog harness you showed above;


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The first two points is to sovle the bowing problem. On my opinion, according to the photos you provided, this problem is mainly caused by the parallel direction of the front straps. I think change the direction a little bit will solve this problem.

The thrid point I think is a good element to add on it to improve its mobility
(y) Let's do it
 

Andy Z.

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This is so cool, could I gear test this when it's ready to be tested? I have a mobility and pysch service dog.
yeah you can apply for it if the sample is completed. Do you have any ideas which can help us improve the current version?
 

Andy Z.

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We just discussed several changes in emails. so here I make a conlusion for them so other users can know where this is.
1. We will not change the direction of two front straps. Actually our designers did a size improvement for this dog harness, which make it fit dog better. We can use this new version dog harness so the bowing problem will be solved I think.
2. Change the front handle with some elements from the mobility dog harness you showed.
3. Make the front and middle handles wider and padded with pearl cotton so they will be more comfortable to be use.
4. If possible, use plastice/rubber cover for the middle handle. (I need to confirm with my colleague to see whether it's available or not.)

As it's close to spring festival, there is period that we can't check the post in 1TG usually. If you have any thing urgent, please contact me via email (service@onetigris.com)
 

Andy Z.

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@BigT , Hope you are all well. I wanna confirm the size of the dog harness. So the one you have now is M and your dog actually need a L, right?