QUESTION CCW "fanny pack" ?

Mraz

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Tactical fanny packs are becoming everyday thing and they're awesome for carrying EDC stuff, I use them since I can remember. Hunting rifle gets in the way when both a rifle and a sidearm are carried on the same side and also I'm lazy to think about wardrobe to make my CCW pistol concealed so I just use a fanny pack. Dedicated CCW fanny packs are usually rubbish - large, bulky and scream "CCW" from a mile away. Best fanny packs I own are Helikon Possum, Bandicoot and a prototype fanny pack made by Kroko (Croatian army manufacturer). Bandicoot is a bit large and lacks some shape for CCW but has welcro backing so it's easy to put an pistol insert. Possum is large enough for my Hellcat but lacks velcro backing, and Kroko would be perfect if it had velcro backing. It would be awesome if someone ( hunt hint :) ) made a smaller size CCW fanny pack that doesn't scream "look at me, I'm carrying!" and is comfortable to use.

Material should be cordura, soft backing on body side, velcro backing inside main pocket with velcro pistol holder, two way zipper with quick open pull tab, size large only enough to carry CCW sized pistols (HS Produkt H11/SA Hellcat, Beretta APX, Glock 43/26, SIG P365 etc.) , wide waist strap...

Kroko got it almost right without even knowing it. It has 1500D cordura, waterproof zippers, front pocket material is elastic, strap is wide and buckle is strong (ITW Nexus), has a hidden pocket in the back. If it only had velcro backing...

This is pistol holder I made from some velcro and an unused car mat and Kroko prototype pack.

What do you guys think, does the world need another fanny pack?
 

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Mraz

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Yeah, fanny pack and waist pack are the same thing.

Something "smart" that could be used as a regular waist pack with different velcro inserts (zipped pocket, edc organiser etc.) and as a CCW pack would be awesome. Helikon tried this with Bandicood pack, good design overall but with few major flaws - narrrow waist strap and located low on the pack, waist strap flaps get in the way, no backing so the thing is too soft to carry a pistol, zipper pulls are thin and small etc.
 

Mraz

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Do you have the product? Could you show me the problem by pic?

Is this the one you talked?
https://www.helikon-tex.com/en_eur/tb-psm-cd-possum-waist-pack-cordura.html
I was talking about the Bandicoot pack but they are almost the same design, only Possum is smaller.

In the pictures you can see that the strap is wide on Kroko and it is high on the pack, so when you sit down the whole pack folds on your tighs. It also has no "wings" like Helikon and they get in the way when you put the pack thru belt loops on pants.

Helikon has detachable belt strap and you can put a regular belt thru it wich is clever but belt strap is narrow and low on the pack so not so comfy when you sit or carry anything heavy. Also, the velcro backing on main pocket should have something like dense foam behind it to make it stronger, whole pack is soft and sags when loaded, you can see it on last photo.

So, basic Kroko design with backing of the main pocket and velcro on body side would make an excellent CCW waist and EDC pack.
 

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A basic fanny pack with two pockets, the back inner panel with Velcro for Velcro insert holster and Velcro mag holster insert. Front pocket with mesh or nylon pocket and maybe a Single row of Molle stitched above the pocket (inside the front pocket) Reference pictures are of two different packs. I would like to see the features of the first two pics used in a pack like the “Jansport” fanny pack. This size would accommodate any micro pistol and spare mag no problem, and it won’t look overly tactical.
 

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Picture reference for inserts. These could be used to make many types of gear more modular. Here are some on the market.
 

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When in conjunction with a bag it should be fine.This is why CCW pockets on bags are so thick. I have personally carried the 5.11 insert (cordura and elastic) for a few years without incident. Generally when a gun is negligently discharged inside of a holster it’s during the drawing process (though leather, and neoprene holsters have been discharged by things like a seatbelt) it is when the holster itself is bare on the body. (This is not a real danger inside of a well designed bag , and why covert professionals, or companies like VertX use or design a set up like this for practical use)
 
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TheMedic08

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@Mraz really cool idea. I use my helikon bandicoot for over two years now and i can totally agree with you.

I´d say keeping the detatchable waist strap is a good idea. If you include belt loops or similar the pouch could be carried on a battle belt or a backpack waist strap with different inserts.

As a med dude I think carrying at least the most basic medical supplies alongside a firearm is a no brainer. Maybe there is a way to implement some carrying capacity for a tourniquet and some small gauze.

Also, within German Special Forces the Zentauron Wais Packs are very popular and Eastpak has a similar design too. It lends itself perfectly for EDC. Maybe a design similar to this one might be a good idea.
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Maybe there even is a way to cross design the opening mechanism of the new codesign IFAK pouch into the style of a waist bag? A one piece zipper for a full profile opening. Would be something new for sure.

Greetings!
 
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Mraz

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Detatchable waist strap is a Y/N thing but two loops on the back like on the Omnivore pack that would make it poossible to attach the pack to PALS webbing would be great! Since most backpack these days come with some sort of PALS webbing, it would be cool if you could quickly attach it to your backpack. Not practical for CCW but good for general EDC.

A simple tab and good zippers is my prefered opening option, I'm not really a fan of velcro. It gets full of stuff and becomes unreliable.
 
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Andy Z.

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So to make a summary.
1. A waist pouch;
2. Front zipper pocket + main comparment + back zipper pocket;
3. Zipper tab should be simple and easy to be pulled;
4. Sturdy back inside so it wouldn't be curved easily;
5. Detatchable waist strap;
6. Velcro (loop) inside for different module panels;
 

Mraz

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Yes! And a velcro part for 1TG patch :)

OAL dimensions somewhere around 10"x5.5"x2.6-2.8".

Since main pocket would be for CCW weapon or velcro insert, I wouldn't put much on other side of main pocket, maybe just a thin mesh pocket for documents. Front pocket sholud then be a bit larger than usual, enough for few EDC things or bacis first aid kit.
 
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TheMedic08

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Based on the German SOF bag by Zentauron I sketched some designes for a fully opening fanny pack that is more accessible under stress than lets say the helikon Bandicoot but still looks low profile by utilizing the same opening mechanism as found in the 1TG Codesign Rip Away IFAK.
Of course pockets and pouches could be added on the inside or the back side of the bag, just as molle or anything else.
(Sorry for the shitty drawings. It´s improvized.)
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TheMedic08

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That's a good idea! I would like to see a design like that but I think It would be better if it opens to a side. It's more natural to pull than push on something below the waistline. But then you have right handed people and those droll left handers... :LOL:
You're right about the pulling being more biodynamically viable. The issueI see with a front opening pouch is that when looking at your waistline from the top, the firearm would not be within line of sight, since there would be material covering it from the top of the fanny too. The Left-handed issue is a problem as well...
 
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Mraz

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You're right about the pulling being more biodynamically viable. The issueI see with a front opening pouch is that when looking at your waistline from the top, the firearm would not be within line of sight, since there would be material covering it from the top of the fanny too. The Left-handed issue is a problem as well...
We'll just see what Andy&TheCrew think about all of these. I'm fine with all three opening options as long al all other details are incorporated in design.
 
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I am working on a IFAK Burrito like this. A belt mounted IFAK at the small of back that pulls out of a sleeve. Similar to the TRex arms pouch you posted once before. @TheMedic08
 

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