IN PRODUCTION Axe Sheath

WhispTech

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because the width inside is limited, we use the 1" strap as cover flap. @WhispTech
I find that odd since the first version you sent me had enough space for a 1.5" strap which I showed in the pic of modification I did. I think I would rather have a 1.5" strap for supporting the head instead of 1" to be honest and don't see why not when the original could. Also would have more retention area for the velcro. I would have to test it, but feel a wider strap would be more beneficial especially with the larger hatchet heads.
 
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Dean Cattell

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What are the measurements on the changed top strap and the velcro panel sections on that strap? Can we get a pic of both sides of that strap beside a ruler?

The overall design I drew is there and concept.
I didn’t have an issue with the bulk of my axes fitting in the first prototype. A little longer strap over the axe head and less Velcro on the main body. @Momo It would help if you posted your pics with an axe in the sheath.
 
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K so received the 2 different axe pouches and tested them out. First thing I checked was mounting of the pouches. They both worked in their own way but I preferred the standard Molle style of attaching. I checked just for how they hold to the PALS webing and found that version 2 with the different mounting system had a bit more droop than version 1 with the standard Molle setup. The amount of wobble was the same for side to side.
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I did notice that version 2 with the different style of mounting sits a bit higher then version 1 which was the standard Molle version.
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When it came to both axe holders regardless of strap size be it the 1" or 1.5" both straps sizes and adjust ability worked fine for holding my hatchet and held it securely. Also the two sizes of strap lengths where perfectly fine for the two straps that where sent to me to test. I will also note that the 1" strap style does have a bit of a cleaner look.
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I also tested the strap sizing to see how small it could hold of an item so tested it with a hammer and it was still able to adjust to that small of an item.
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Overall they both worked. Personally I prefer the #1 style with the standard molle way of attaching. When it came to the strap size be it 1" or 1.5 inch it didn't matter and really up to you guys. The 1" strap is probably cheaper to make and save some costs.

This leads me to my next question and that is if the Velcro loop panel material is more expensive than the standard cordura or material you would be using? Reason I ask this is because if the loop panel material is more expensive you could save costs on the inner part where you loop lined it because it is no longer needed there,
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This is it attached to a backpack that had full side Pals webbing and the axe looked good attached to it. I wore it and after making sure had the bag stuffed with some items and such didn't have any issues. That was using style 1 with standard Molle with 1" adjustable strap.
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K so received the 2 different axe pouches and tested them out. First thing I checked was mounting of the pouches. They both worked in their own way but I preferred the standard Molle style of attaching. I checked just for how they hold to the PALS webing and found that version 2 with the different mounting system had a bit more droop than version 1 with the standard Molle setup. The amount of wobble was the same for side to side.
View attachment 4905
I did notice that version 2 with the different style of mounting sits a bit higher then version 1 which was the standard Molle version.
View attachment 4906
When it came to both axe holders regardless of strap size be it the 1" or 1.5" both straps sizes and adjust ability worked fine for holding my hatchet and held it securely. Also the two sizes of strap lengths where perfectly fine for the two straps that where sent to me to test. I will also note that the 1" strap style does have a bit of a cleaner look.
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I also tested the strap sizing to see how small it could hold of an item so tested it with a hammer and it was still able to adjust to that small of an item.
View attachment 4908
Overall they both worked. Personally I prefer the #1 style with the standard molle way of attaching. When it came to the strap size be it 1" or 1.5 inch it didn't matter and really up to you guys. The 1" strap is probably cheaper to make and save some costs.

This leads me to my next question and that is if the Velcro loop panel material is more expensive than the standard cordura or material you would be using? Reason I ask this is because if the loop panel material is more expensive you could save costs on the inner part where you loop lined it because it is no longer needed there,
View attachment 4909
This is it attached to a backpack that had full side Pals webbing and the axe looked good attached to it. I wore it and after making sure had the bag stuffed with some items and such didn't have any issues. That was using style 1 with standard Molle with 1" adjustable strap.
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Thanks pal!
 

Dean Cattell

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@WhispTech has provided a lot of the comments that I would have with the prototypes so far. The best option that I have found is the second prototype with the standard Molle straps. I found virtually no difference between the two latest sheaths, but the Velcro strap attachments are a pain to attach to PALS webbing compared to Molle. I used the extra strap and belt keepers with the latest Molle version and found that it does provide some extra stability (picture attached) but the belt keepers are two small and don’t allow the pommel of the axe to pass through. The pommel or end of the axe handle, is where you need to measure and set the width of the sheath. The pommel is typically wider than the rest of the handle.
I also found that the horizontal strap that secures the sheath body is maybe an inch or two too long.
Overall I would say that the second prototype with the standard Molle is the best out of all three prototypes. If you are looking at launching a new product, that would be my suggestion. As mentioned previously, a few modifications to the existing x-sheath will do the same job. The new sheaths both work for the Gerber Axe that wouldn’t work for the first prototype, but just barely.
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@WhispTech has provided a lot of the comments that I would have with the prototypes so far. The best option that I have found is the second prototype with the standard Molle straps. I found virtually no difference between the two latest sheaths, but the Velcro strap attachments are a pain to attach to PALS webbing compared to Molle. I used the extra strap and belt keepers with the latest Molle version and found that it does provide some extra stability (picture attached) but the belt keepers are two small and don’t allow the pommel of the axe to pass through. The pommel or end of the axe handle, is where you need to measure and set the width of the sheath. The pommel is typically wider than the rest of the handle.
I also found that the horizontal strap that secures the sheath body is maybe an inch or two too long.
Overall I would say that the second prototype with the standard Molle is the best out of all three prototypes. If you are looking at launching a new product, that would be my suggestion. As mentioned previously, a few modifications to the existing x-sheath will do the same job. The new sheaths both work for the Gerber Axe that wouldn’t work for the first prototype, but just barely.
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I mentioned on page three that I shortened the horizontal strap when testing the first one and agree with @Dean Cattell that it could be shortened by like 1"-1.5" at most by my measurements.
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As for the belt keepers I messaged @Momo on that and they are for attaching your inner belt to your outer duty belt and didn't think they where for the axe but a separate item and they in my opinion are to bulky and the design is hard to put on especially on your back. Even gave them to a co-worker and he didn't like them either.

However for how Dean was trying to use them for the bottom to maintain the axe handle a strap system could easily be mocked up. Just needs to be an adjustable strap that attaches to a PALS webbing strap. I could easily draw up something to do that. Personally I was using a cable manager velcro strap that you get with electronics but something sturdier could be designed.
 
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Dean Cattell

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I mentioned on page three that I shortened the horizontal strap when testing the first one and agree with @Dean Cattell that it could be shortened by like 1"-1.5" at most by my measurements.
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As for the belt keepers I messaged @Momo on that and they are for attaching your inner belt to your outer duty belt and didn't think they where for the axe but a separate item and they in my opinion are to bulky and the design is hard to put on especially on your back. Even gave them to a co-worker and he didn't like them either.

However for how Dean was trying to use them for the bottom to maintain the axe handle a strap system could easily be mocked up. Just needs to be an adjustable strap that attaches to a PALS webbing strap. I could easily draw up something to do that. Personally I was using a cable manager velcro strap that you get with electronics but something sturdier could be designed.
I wasn’t sure if the extra strap and belt keepers were sent to try and add some stability to the handle, as there was a thread as that discussed that possibility.
 

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I wasn’t sure if the extra strap and belt keepers were sent to try and add some stability to the handle, as there was a thread as that discussed that possibility.
Hi Dean,
As WhispTech mentioned, the extra two belt keepers are for attaching your inner belt and outer belt, it is a new design I am considering, so send them together to you guys see if you have any suggestion. Sorry for confusion.
 

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I mentioned on page three that I shortened the horizontal strap when testing the first one and agree with @Dean Cattell that it could be shortened by like 1"-1.5" at most by my measurements.
View attachment 4939

As for the belt keepers I messaged @Momo on that and they are for attaching your inner belt to your outer duty belt and didn't think they where for the axe but a separate item and they in my opinion are to bulky and the design is hard to put on especially on your back. Even gave them to a co-worker and he didn't like them either.

However for how Dean was trying to use them for the bottom to maintain the axe handle a strap system could easily be mocked up. Just needs to be an adjustable strap that attaches to a PALS webbing strap. I could easily draw up something to do that. Personally I was using a cable manager velcro strap that you get with electronics but something sturdier could be designed.
I will make the final version by shortening horizontal strap by 1".
 
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#79
@WhispTech has provided a lot of the comments that I would have with the prototypes so far. The best option that I have found is the second prototype with the standard Molle straps. I found virtually no difference between the two latest sheaths, but the Velcro strap attachments are a pain to attach to PALS webbing compared to Molle. I used the extra strap and belt keepers with the latest Molle version and found that it does provide some extra stability (picture attached) but the belt keepers are two small and don’t allow the pommel of the axe to pass through. The pommel or end of the axe handle, is where you need to measure and set the width of the sheath. The pommel is typically wider than the rest of the handle.
I also found that the horizontal strap that secures the sheath body is maybe an inch or two too long.
Overall I would say that the second prototype with the standard Molle is the best out of all three prototypes. If you are looking at launching a new product, that would be my suggestion. As mentioned previously, a few modifications to the existing x-sheath will do the same job. The new sheaths both work for the Gerber Axe that wouldn’t work for the first prototype, but just barely.
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One more thing is, we provide two straps, as WhispTech mentioned, 1 inch and 2 inch, which one will your prefer?
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One more thing is, we provide two straps, as WhispTech mentioned, 1 inch and 2 inch, which one will your prefer? View attachment 4940

Actually its a 1" and a 1.5 inch version of those straps which I listed properly when I wrote it but when I did the pic I made a mistake and said 2" on that picture. I have now gone and edited that to proper info for that pic.
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